Feb 16, 2012 - Frank Will - a.k.a "Trail Dog"
Thank you for the wonderful trail info. It would also be nice to include the proper use of whistles.
Mar 06, 2012 - Wandrin Lloyd
Not sure where it ever became etiquette to yield to uphill hikers. Hiking solo today and gasping for breath on the uphill climb, I met six people who wanted to yield the trail. Give me a break. Please! I wanted to stop and catch my breath. I stepped off the trail to catch my breath. I commented to them that I never did understand the logic for the yielding to uphill traffic. Turns out these hikers also agreed that it was a poor rule as they saw me gasping for air.
However, it is a good rule for vehicles. Vehicles going uphill should have the right of way on those narrow roads. Stopping, they may never get started again going up hill.
Like your caveat noted, it is up to the hikers who decide who will yield.
Mar 07, 2012 - Hiking Dude
May 17, 2012 - Equusrider
Thanks for the info on horses. As a horse back rider, Im often frustrated with the lack of education about or concern for equestrians. Often we get off the trail anyway because it is not worth my life hoping that the bikers, dirt bikers and hikers are educated about yielding to horses. Most hikers and bikers I come across are very courteous, but it is the ones who aren't that can get me killed. Can I have some suggestions. Cyclist, Please as you approach from behind, give a yell that you are there and coming up behind. Hikers please, when get off the trail don't hide behind bushes. Stay visible and speak up; say "HI". Horses are prey animals and it is the mountain lions who stay silent and hidden. Horses, don't always recognize you and your backpack as a human. Speaking out will tell the horse, you are not a predator and you are not going to eat them.
May 17, 2012 - Hiking Dude
Equusrider - on my AZ Trail hike, I carried a silver sun umbrella many days. The first horse I encountered stopped dead in its tracks about a quarter mile away and I was a bit confused. Aha! I collapsed my umbrella and kept walking and the horse was fine. I guess I looked like a very strange Something out there.
After that, I would collapse my umbrella as soon as I saw a horse.
Jun 28, 2012 - Jeanine Perez
I want to thank you so much about the downhill uphill rule. Because I love to hike uphill and take a no prisoners style of hiking approach. On the way down I enjoy the scenery and sometime jog but feel no pressure and enjoy being sociable. Also I sometime hike with groups and didn't know that singles and couples had the right of way thanks for the great info.
Jul 27, 2012 - Neet
I always yield to horses, but it seems to me that horse people approaching hikers should communicate and take responsibility for not running people over, just as cars are not allowed to run people over in the street. I can't possibly hurt a horse if I run into it, but the horse can hurt or kill me. And horse can move infinitely faster than I can, especially if I have an overnight pack on.
Again, I personally always yield thoughtfully and politely, but it seems as though theoretically the horseback rider should take responsibility for not hurting hikers first. Then, if the hiker is nice, s/he can choose to yield to the horse since it's easier as a person to get off the trail than it is for a horse. But if for some reason the hiker doesn't choose to yield, the horseback rider should at least hold the horse still until the hiker can get by. Does this logic seem reasonable to anyone else?
Aug 02, 2012 - katrina
Another trail etiquette rule not mentioned: stay in communication with your own hiking party. If you and your buddies stop for a quick rest at a beautiful view or shady creek, make sure your group knows if you're hiking on before they're ready to go. Likewise, know where partner(s) are before you hike on. I was one of a group of three that stopped at a creek last weekend -- on a quiet, unpopulated trail --and the other two left the creekside while I was digging in my pack for my camera. I didn't hear them go and was lucky to spot them way up the trail when I noticed they were gone. Either they didn't care or didn't notice...either way, it is bad form and potentially very dangerous.
Aug 03, 2012 - Hiking Dude
Neet - sure, it makes sense. But, a 150pound person can't force a 1,200pound horse to stay still or not be frightened. And a frightened animal can't be controlled.
The point you made is a key reason for humans to give way to horses - we make much less impact. 200pounds distributed on 2 footprints is a lot less disruptive than 1500pounds on 4 hooves that are stomping around instead of standing quietly.
Using your analogy, a hiker that refuses to give way to a horse is about as bright as a pedestrian that refuses to give way to a car.
katrina - keeping a group together is more of a safety note than etiquette, but it is important. Communicating in your group and watching out for each other should be a set expectation before you ever set foot on the trail.
Aug 11, 2012 - Russ
I'll add a few observations. Re horses: they often come in groups, and seem to include very inexperienced riders. Applying the rules of the road seem unwise. After all, vehicles presumably all stop or slow as expected when brakes applied. Why assume so with a large, burdened animal. Out of their way and not spooking them in any way is very sound. Re bikes: I have rarely encountered a bike that yielded or slowed at all around hikers. They also often approach from behind with little warning and can startle. Those simple thumb bells we had on our bikes when we were 10 would help, but they are so "unhip". I have little suggestion for the hikers though.
Oct 04, 2012 - Blackat
Being a horse rider I can only say that horses are "unpredictable". The yielding to horses rule really is for the safety of the hiker...
Even a very experienced rider on a very good trail horse will run into hairy situations. If there is a poor person on the way it cannot end well.
I've been stepped on more than once by great horses that got spooked by the most banal such as a strange looking log (really!) - It could break your foot or a toe very easily.
Oct 31, 2012 - Hiking Dude
frustrated - Too weird. Doesn't make sense to me to leave my warm house and walk to a neighbor's property to use it as a bathroom in the cold morning.
If you know who it is, and it is your property, can't you just tell them they are not welcome on your property? If you have video of them leaving the trail and going into the bush, tell them that and then provide it to the police if you need their assistance.
Dec 01, 2012 - Hiking Dude
John - On a shared use trail, everyone is responsible to be in control of themselves and their pets. That means having a short leash (not a 6 or 8 foot leash) so your dog can not attack another pet or trail user. If your dog tends to be aggressive, a dog muzzle would be good, or walking it where there are no other people around. If that's not the case, then it's just a matter of preventing collisions.
The other trail users have the responsibility to be in control of their bicycle or their feet. They should be able to stop quickly when passing you since your dog may take a step into their path. As you probably have experienced, this often is not the case but it is the goal.
So, dog on short leash on your left is just fine. If you see someone coming towards you, you can certainly guide your dog to your right side of the trail until the person is passed. I expect he'll enjoy exploring whatever he finds off the trail, too.
Jan 06, 2013 - Elizabeth
Thank you for these great tips on trail etiquette. I have shared with my walking/hiking group in the Bay Area, pointing them to this web site as well.
Jan 21, 2013 - Tamara Klein
Good info on trail etiquette. My concern is the amount of dogs off lead. I like dogs, but I don't enjoy a dog running full speed up to me and the whole "it's ok, he's friendly", mentality. This is some good info to share.
Jan 22, 2013 - Hiking Dude
Tamara - Yes, that "it's ok, he's friendly" is an all-too-common phrase heard on the trail. Especially when it is peeing on the sign that clearly states "keep dogs on leash". :-)
Mar 10, 2013 - Hillbilly
Thanks for putting this together. On hike we routinely review these tips before hitting the trail in the hope newbies will pass these concepts on to their friends.
Of all the transgressions I encounter along the trail the two most irksome; The unleashed un-nerving and un-welcome "s/he's friendly Dog visits" and the all too audible unyeilding conversation which can be heard from at least 1/2 mi before arriving and continues for the 1/2 mile beyond. I useually stop to allow the nusciance to pass on returning nature to it's own. I remain on stand by all the while for medical emergency, concerned that the offender has not stopped speaking to breath for such a long period they may fail and falter for lack of oxygen! (if only)
Apr 19, 2013 - Martis
From a deaf hiker. Please bikers if you call out "on your left" and the hiker do not move, do not carry on at full speed, give the hiker space. I have been hit by a bicycle more than once. I always hike with hearing people but they not always have time to let me know.
People usually give space to special need hikers, but hearing impaired hikers are not that easy to spot by eye.
May 05, 2013 - Karthik
Great info! I recently hiked in Grand Canyon and wanted to get my body warmed up during the start of the hike downhill as it was a cold morning, too. There were a LOT of people going downhill and in my excitement to jog, I put on my earphones and started to sprint heartily downhill. Almost everybody I passed were courteous and even exchanged a smile, but, I believe a few weren't too happy about me passing like that. Would you say I was being rude to my fellow hikers? By the way, just like me, few more people were jogging/sprinting/running along as well. Also, I'd like to know your comments on listening to music during hikes.
May 06, 2013 - C0BALT
Listening to headphones to me is like going to a free concert, and then putting on headphones and listening to different music than what is playing at the concert. Running on trails that are used by walkers and long distance hikers is also like bringing your city apartment sidewalk out to the wilderness. Most people do tolerate trail runners. Trail runners are also very unaware audibly or visually of anything going on around them, other than the 2 metres in front of them. They are the ones that aren't prepared (with any gear) for anything when something bad happens. Trail runners also tend to be a distraction on the trail from the wilderness around. So yes, wearing headphones, listening to music and trail running... why not just stay at home and run on a treadmill and look at a 3d bluray of the Canyon?
Most hikers do go into the wilderness to experience it at a slow walking speed and to have all their senses stimulated by the nature around them, including the natural sounds.
May 06, 2013 - Hiking Dude
Karthik - I like cobalt's analogy, but don't feel so strongly his generalization of trail runners.
Wilderness races are popular and I have no problem with people running on trails. But, they have a responsibility to stay in control, be safe, and not impact other users.
It would make sense to slow down and announce your presence when overtaking someone - something like "passing on your left, please".
As far as listening to music - I think it's unsafe, distracting, and silly. It tunes out the world around you and you may not hear important sounds, such as snakes, animals in the brush, yells for help, or runners overtaking you saying "on your left".
May 28, 2013 - larry
I disagree with your rule concerning uphill/downhill right of way. I don't know where that rule came from, but it creates danger for the person going downhill in exchange for convenience of the person going uphill.True that hikers going uphill are working hard, however it is very easy for them to stop and actually when the incline is very steep they are stopping with every step anyway. Going downhill, gravity is pulling us and makes stopping more difficult. Downhill stopping often can be dangerous especially when the trail is sand, gravel, loose dirt, etc. when putting on the brakes can cause our feet to go out from under us. Often the situation calls for running down a short ways. Also, I would like to argue that going downhill a hiker does NOT have a much farther view ahead than someone going up. I look at every step I put my foot down. The hiker that looks around not paying attention to every single step will eventually hurt themselves, especially going downhill at a faster pace.
Jun 07, 2013 - Hiking Dude
@larry - The general guideline is to be in control and be courteous. If it would be dangerous for a hiker to stop his steps, then that hiker is not in control and needs to slow down more. Stopping should never be a difficult thing - if it is, then the hiker is not in control.
Your point of view that a hiker going downhill does not have a farther view is incorrect. It has nothing to do with 'looking around and not paying attention'. It has to do with the ground angle ahead of you and your eyes tending to watch the trail before you.
Jun 24, 2013 - Adam
Hiking Dude and Neet - I grew up on a horse farm and trail riding was a way of life. Hikers forget how the gentlest of horses can be spooked. They are all instinct and no brains. A glint in the stream caused a horse to rear up, slip, and pin the rider. A pop of a soda can made a mount buck the rider into a power pole, breaking his neck. The pain of a horse-fly bite made a horse "cow kick" breaking a leg. My point is you just never know. Be aware of their blind spots, be aware of your own actions, don't separate a horse from the its herd, ask to approach, introduce yourself to a horse the way you might greet a strange dog, never approach from behind, and if you must walk around a horse, keep a hand in contact as if you were grooming the horse.
As for right of way, even in situations where you think you are in the right, don't push your luck. Pedistrians are in their right to cross a road with a white walk sign, but you still look for cars that don't stop.
Jul 05, 2013 - Lee
My two cents on right of way:
Resource impacts should be considered. A group of 2 should stepping off the trail impacts the trail edge twice as much as a single hiker. The impact scales up nicely with larger and larger groups. Also, this fits nicely with horses, since sending a horse off trail would be a huge impact.
Also, coordinating a smaller group or individual's off trail maneuver is also easier and quicker than coordinating a larger group.
Finally, I just don't feel that momentum for the uphill hiker is that strong of an argument and it is difficult to predict what the person traveling in the opposite direction will want to do. I feel like the rules for hiking were transferred from wheeled activities and hooved transportation for nothing more than the convenience of not having another set of rules and don't really take into account new concerns like "Leave No Trace" etiquette.
Jul 05, 2013 - Hiking Dude
Both AmericanHiking.org and BackPacker.com (as well as many other hiking organizations) agree with the uphill vs. downhill hikers as described on this page - downhill yields to uphill.
Sep 22, 2013 - Blue Sky Billy
Nice website. I have to agree with the established cardinal rule; downhill yield to uphill. Have been hiking many mountains and trails for over 50 years. Downhill hikers have an advantage. So please, respect the direction and strength of the uphill hiker.
Sep 23, 2013 - Melissa
Handy tips! Although make sure you swap left and right when you're in Australia, NZ, etc. (where the foot traffic tends to follow that of cars; keep left and pass on the right). It can be frustrating to be hiking only to have well-meaning people on holiday move to block the way.
Feb 12, 2014 - Llama Lady
I greatly appreciate your inclusion of trail etiquette. Also, the comments on impact. It takes less energy and creates less impact for a smaller group to yield than a larger. I hike with llamas, usually multiple animals (who, as a bit of trivia have less trail impact that a white tail deer. Cool huh?)I ALWAYS yield to horses, allowing as wide of berth as I can and calmly speak to the riders with the animals behind me - this seems to work best.
Llamas spook as well. It is an act of congress to move a large group of animals to the side of the trail simply because a hiker or biker refuses to yield. I understand that it can kill the momentum of the biker to have yield consideration, but there is a certain amount of personal responsibility sharing a pubic trail for the sake of safety issues and FUN.
Frustratingly enough, many times I am forced to yield and will continue to do so for the safety of my animals from well meaning folks that never considered space to be an issue.
Apr 05, 2014 - melissa
I've recently started hiking and now I think I know what letf means! But while hiking I hear a lot of bikers yell "walker!" What does that mean and when there are bikers behind you what are thw things you should do. I'd like a little more info on biker and hikers please. I want to be curteous and share the beauty respectfully with everyone else as well.
Apr 06, 2014 - Hiking Dude
@Melissa - On a wide trail, with room to pass, a biker yelling "On your left!" means the hiker should move as far to their right side as possible because the bike wants to pass on the left.
A biker just yelling "Walker!" lets you know they are overtaking you. I've not experienced this, but would guess it is on a narrow path and they are hoping you might step off the trail to let them pass.
However the encounter occurs, it is the biker's responsibility to keep his bike in control and give way to hikers. If I heard someone yell at me from behind on a narrow trail, I would stop and turn around to see what was coming. Then, I'd make a decision about what to do next, which might be a hasty step off the trail if the biker was not maintaining control.
Apr 24, 2014 - Stu
@Melissa, were the bikers that yell 'Walker!' part of a group? If so it is the first biker yelling back to the following bikers letting them know that there is a walker ahead and that they should slow down and proceed with caution.
May 04, 2014 - Art
I hike the Gateway Trail in the McDowell Preserve and run into rude hikers on a regular basis: loud talkers, people hiking with radios (not the quiet headphone variety) getting body-checked by oncoming pairs and groups of hikers. Today was the worst incident where an oncoming pair of women took up the whole width of the trail. I had no where to go aside from being aggressively pushed off the trail into a cholla cactus when one of the woman body-checked me hard vs falling back to single file as a reasonable person normally would. She kept on hiking and didn't even stop to see if I was okay or apologize - crazy.
May 06, 2014 - Marc
Downhill yields to uphill. Momentum has very little or nothing to do with it. Time to slow down for downhill hikers is silly, because, if they need special consideration, they are out of control.
Field of vision is the reason as mentioned. No matter where you are focusing, when downhill, your peripheral will pick up a hiker below you way before the uphill hiker will notice you with their peripheral...every time. On your next hike, test this and you will agree with the established rule of downhill hikers yield to uphill.
Of course, many trail parts are level grade or not steep, so this really applies to trails with a moderate to steep grade. In the end, the most courteous (and the most tired) hikers will yield to others in all of the gray areas.
Also, staying together is a matter of courtesy, not just safety. No one likes to be left behind. Stay together and communicate. Isn't that why you are on the trail together in the 1st place, to hike together?
Jun 28, 2014 - markskor
"Stay together and communicate. Isn't that why you are on the trail together in the 1st place, to hike together?"
Nope...I hike on-trail alone to be closer to my Sierra, not to converse with anybody...plenty of time to "chat" in camp. When on-trail, ok/ preferred actually to hike in quiet solitude but... nobody passes the next junction/trail Y without all checking in before departing.
Uphill (progress) before downhill coasting...easier to start up again when going downhill.
Aug 03, 2014 - Jeff
As a trail runner, hiker and mountain biker, I find myself on the trails in a very big state park local to me. I've always been courteous of other park users, but today, a horse rider motioned for me to stop since I was wearing earbuds because I like to listen to music while I run, and she told me not to ever run past a horse. I wasn't told why. I thought about this for the remainder of my run. I always continue to run but I run off the trail for horses, and off to one side for hikers, runners and cyclists, giving everyone more than enough room to safely continue on their way. I have encountered over 50 horse riders during my runs and never has anyone said anything, or even motioned, and no horses have appeared frightened. I like animals but admittedly know nothing about horses. So do runners spook them or is this a Right of Way issue?
Aug 07, 2014 - Hiking Dude
@Jeff - Horses have personalities and some are more easily spooked than others. I always stop off the trail for horses when hiking.
I would imagine a horse could get concerned if any animal, human or other, came at it quickly. I wouldn't take that chance.
Sep 02, 2014 - JessaDarling
@Jeff- as Hiking Dude said, horses can be easily spooked. As prey animals, they are biologically wired to assume anything running at them or past them is a potential threat. Additionally, as you would probably know being an outdoorsman, predators like mountain lions hunt using the element of surprise. By surprising a horse, it triggers the "flight" response, which can result in the horse bolting, rearing, bucking or a combination of the three. That can be dangerous to the rider, the horse, and the person who has surprised the horse/any other trail users.
I've personally had the terrifying experience of having a horse full-on bolt after some kids surprised us by running out of some bushes while on a trail ride. The horse I was on was a schoolmaster and practically bomb-proof (and I'm not an inexperienced either) so it goes to show horses really are, as someone above me put it, all instinct and no brains (or reason).
Sorry for the long comment!! :)
Sep 17, 2014 - Leo
Hiking short trail in yellowstone. Argument about which direction to go. One group wanted to start at designated trailhead the other wanted to start at end and then hike back to trailhead. Etiquette aside, do designers take into account which direction to take. What do they consider? Arguments for each case?
Sep 17, 2014 - Hiking Dude
@Leo - A trail has two ends, or is a loop, or is an out-and-back.
An out-and-back has one trailhead and there's only one way to hike it.
A loop has one trailhead and you can hike it clockwise, or counter-clockwise. Interpretive loop trails with signage and/or numbered posts are designed to be walked a certain direction.
Both ends of a non-loop trail are trailheads and you need to arrange travel to each end in order to hike it. There are many reasons to hike one direction over the other. Here's a few to consider ...
Is there a large elevation change? hiking generally downhill will be easier.
Is there a great vista part way through? hike so you reach that spot for lunch or a long break.
Is part of the trail more rugged? doing that early would be safer.
Is part shaded and part open? use the natural cover for cooler hiking.
Nov 14, 2014 - julius sang
More than once,we met discouraging comments from guys descending while we were going uphill,mt.longonot.We kept on in a single file.Thanks for the downhill rule.
Nov 30, 2014 - The La Luz
I hike the La Luz almost weekly and have not had a single incident with anyone trying to push me over for not yeilding or vice versa. I have asked about 15-20 random groups what they think is the up/down yeild rule. Not one knew, even the Forest Ranger. I would say rules are nice to know but proceed with the expectation that you are the only one aware of the rule. BTW I agree with most of the contrary arguments, but politeness seems to win almost always.
Dec 14, 2014 - Nathan
I agree with the "Pack it in pack it out" rule. I've been taking a larger than normal backpack when hiking to help clean up the mess that others leave behind. The other thing that I'd say that goes along with the noise pollution would be blaring music. I'm always surprised that somebody wants to go out and take a speaker out to blast whatever music it is that they like while hiking. If you like music on your hike, great! Buy some headphones as the rest of us may not want to hear whatever it is that you thought was nature worthy.
Mar 04, 2015 - BigBigL
So bikes yield to everyone else despite being the fastest moving vehicle on a trail, making the most noise - often alerting others of their presence? The logic you are pushing is VERY dangerous advice.
Obviously the individual with the best capacity to move out of harms way would be responsible to yield to oncoming traffic. Your logic is flawed and extremely dangerous to practice. I often see walkers/hikers who make almost no effort to get out of the way as I barrel down the trail with almost no indication of their presence....at least you can hear a bike coming so you are aware there is a danger coming your way.
Mar 04, 2015 - Hiking Dude
@BigBigL - I expect you may just be trolling since you used the term "barrel down the trail", but I'll reply anyway.
Yes, bikes should yield to foot traffic, both human and animal.
Unfortunately, there are some bikers, such as yourself, that are misinformed, improperly trained, and self-centered.
A biker has mechanical advantage so it is easier for him to start and stop. A biker should always be in control and able to stop.
Bikes do not make appreciable noise - they are fast and quiet. That is why a conscientious biker will slow down and announce their presence when approaching others, either from front or behind.
Jun 14, 2015 - Hikerbynature
Jul 13, 2015 - Ken
Nowadays, the rule is that people going downhill yield to those going uphill.
But, 25 years ago, the rule I was taught by AMGA guides was that people going
downhill should have priority. Their reasoning was sound: up high is hostile;
lower down is safety. So, getting off a mountain should take precedence over
people trying to get on the mountain. Things have changed. Nowadays, the
priority is to cram as many people onto a mountain, to get to the summit,
regardless of conditions and skills. The harsher, the faster, the better. In
searching for the reasoning behind the current rule, the argument seems to be
that people going up hill are expending more energy. So, we shouldn't
interrupt their momentum going uphill, that we need to respect their
"strength" and their need for a workout. Yes, "real" hikers and climbers know
the de facto rules, but that doesn't mean all these rules are good.
Apr 26, 2016 - Mar
Re: downhill yields to uphill. Great, until your group is
halfway down the steep face of rock near Jacob's Arch at
Coyote Gulch sending backpacks down by rope, when a
group of forty or so day-hikers (with children scrambling
up and back and up and back...) decide they are coming
up with absolutely no regard to what is already happening
around them. There's not always enough trail for yielding.
Yes, it happened, and yes, the group(s) were incredibly
oblivious and rude. Guess I just had to get that out. I feel
a little better now. :)
Jul 02, 2016 - peg
As I was hiking down into the grand
canyon, I used an umbrella. Really helped
with the heat. When I encountered a horse
leading a group of riders, I closed my
umbrella. I did it too fast and it
spoijed the horse which began backing up
dangerously close to the edge of a drop
off! So, close your umbrellas very slowly
Sep 08, 2016 - John
Hiking uphill/downhill: Rules are needed so that in the event of ambiguity the rule prevails. In
reality it really boils down to courtesy and etiquette. I always assess those I encounter: first
do they see me, how fast are they moving, are their children in tow, steepness of the trail, trail
conditions etc., I use that and a big smile as my guide and it works every time.
Mar 31, 2019 - Honorato
I saw this Cleveland hiking club taking up the entire width of the
trail. They were a huge group, so this was really annoying. From
what I heard, they've been problematic that way before.
think that in a large group, there'd be at least a few people who'd
say "Hey, we need to make room for other hikers and runners."
Apparently not, though. Not even the leaders.
May 01, 2020 - Billy Goat
I agree with the uphill/downhill hiker
right of way. The people going up
probably have their head down ever so
slightly while looking for footholds,
and may not be aware that people are
approaching. Constantly looking upward
while hiking uphill is not at all
comfortable, and it's exhausting.
Furthermore, stopping and losing
momentum with a heavy backpack can cause
a backward fall. Also bear in mind the
fact that downhill hikers will naturally
be looking down trail, and will see
uphill hikers more readily. Lastly,
downhill hikers who lose control
generally gain speed rapidly, lose
control, and plow into an uphill hiker,
causing grave injuries to all involved.
Apr 06, 2021 - AC
I've been seeing an increasing trend of hikers blasting music
from their smartphones or bluetooth speakers while on the
trail. Hard to fathom what's going through their head... are
they too dumb to notice how disruptive it is or are they
being jerks on purpose?!
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